Tuesday, 25 August 2015

An open letter to Mr Hardik Patel




Respected Mr Hardik Patel,

I am a common citizen of Gujarat. I would like to make it clear right at the beginning that reservations are something I don't support. I think that caste based reservation increase caste difference rather than remove them as was the original intention. 

I did not know who you were until a few days ago. I have a feeling I will be seeing a lot more of you now. I have read that your organisation, Patidar Anamat Andolan Samiti (PAAS), came into existence less than a month ago. I have been told that you believe that the Patidar community is losing out in the development race because of reservation quota. 

I completely agree with you. Reservations are the problem. One thing I don't understand is, if you think reservations are a problem, why are you asking for it? In a television interview you said that the government should either give reservation to the patidars or remove reservation all together. This is like saying "Give me a piece of the cake or throw the entire cake away." On one hand you are saying that reservation causes problems and on the other hand you are demanding it too. If the Patidar community gets reservations, it will still be a problem for the rest of the citizens and the Patidar community will go from being against the problem to being a part of it. As someone who is a strong supporter of the Patidar community, why are you letting this happen to the reputation of the community? 

I was also curious about a few thing that I saw during your rally. In a state where majority of your audience speaks in Gujarati, your speech was completely in Hindi. Who was your real audience? You have photos with political leaders from BJP, Congress and AAP. Have you decided which party you are supporting? Your past and present actions don't look apolitical to me.

Anyways, coming back to what happened yesterday. You wanted to hold a rally to demand reservations for Patidar. It is your right to demand anything you want to from the government as long as it is peaceful. Government told you that they would give you official permission to use the GMDC ground to hold your meeting and even permitted that you walk all the way to the government office from that place. The road blocks and crazy honking by your friends caused a lot of inconvenience to a lot of people but the government still let you do it because it did not want to be called 'autocratic' for rejecting your application to disrupt more than half the city. 

You got the ground. You got the permission for a rally right through the heart of the city. You even got the state to bring in thousands of police personnel to ensure that no one disrupted your rally and everything was peaceful. Great. 

You were given permission to use the GMDC ground till 8pm. No one questioned or stopped you from using it till that time. At 8pm, when the police asked you to vacate government property, why did you not agree? Why are there photos and videos of your fellow patidars shouting slogans and destroying public property? Doesn't the government have the right to ask you to move out after the permission expires? 

You refused to vacate and so the police arrested you and took you to the police station which had jurisdiction. You were let go after sometime. You alleged that you were man handled inside the police station. I suppose we just have to trust you on that one. While you were in the police station, your supporters burned a lot of private vehicles and buses which belong to the city transport department. They even vandalised a few shops. 

I don't see how your supporters think any of these things will help their case. If they were angry at you being arrested, there are legal ways to go about it. Those are the ways everyone follows if they feel an arrest was illegal. If they were angry that they are not in the reserved category then as they already know, there is a pre defined procedure to ask for it. Government authorities get to decide on a case by case basis if your community is eligible for reservation. There are set guidelines/checklists to do this. 

Any individual citizen or group of citizens cannot hold the government hostage. If it tries to, government has every right to neutralize the situation to ensure the safety of the other citizens.

I don't know how you can, with a straight face, say government lathi charging your people is wrong when the people who were being lathi charged were destroying public and private property. 

Freedom of expression is a great thing to use but government has the right to stop it when it clearly violates other citizen's freedom to live peacefully and feel safe. 

It was also great to see people come in really expensive cars to rallies and then claim to be 'under priviledged'. As a lot of people have noted, a 'show of strength' to prove that you are one of the 'weaker castes' is hilariously ironic. If the money spent in organizing this rally was used to help the poor brethren of your community, no one in the community would even need reservation. 

At 22, you have a lot of good years ahead of you. I would suggest improving your knowledge atleast on topics that you are fighting for. I would suggest reading 'Falling Over Backwards' by Arun Shourie to understand the issue of reservation. 

I will break down the above things for you in simpler terms just so that there is no doubt:

Burning public/private property - BAD
Peacefully putting forward your views/demands - GOOD
Holding the government hostage and blackmailing it - BAD
Fighting elections and changing things - GOOD

I hope I have made my point. I have a feeling I will see you more often atleast till the 2017 elections in Gujarat. I hope you use your power to bring positive change in the country. Youth in India rarely get this chance, don't spoil it for the rest of us. Don't malign the reputation of your community/city/state.

If you ever take start a peaceful campaign to remove reservations, I will stand by you. For now, lets stop this and bring back normalcy to our city and state.

Here's to hoping for a more peaceful tomorrow.

Thank you

Regards

A common citizen.

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    1. I am totally agree with it...


      Good one


      Reguards
      A common citizen...

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    2. can you write this after this happen with you ?
      just see how they are doing
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HskE3AwtNtY&list=PL7CR5HbKYpV1pdm2yefy7KY93L01FbH7M

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    3. Bhayya....whatever you said is correct and you can post this on facebook,twitter then it reaches more people...

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    4. What ever this fellow is doing ,I think he has a vision , government would never try to withdraw the obc status to whom it's given , now all who are left out ask for this status so as according to constitution of India all citizens have equal rights , Dr Ambedkar while drafting wanted this for ten years only but because of political vote bank policy this kept on extending and now when BJP is in power with huge majority of this type of demands for OBC is raised by all left out caste which have problem only while getting admission because of this policy wants this should be demolished or should be given to all so their rights prevails . And Gujrat being a state from where this moment can start looks there is some fixing to carry out in whole India ...!and Hardik patel at this age is brave and Patel lobby is very strong and united so we have to wait and see what is next coming from store .

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  2. I hope Hardik Patel understands english and realise the actual situation.

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    1. I hope someone sends this to him.

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    2. if they hav brain den dis was never happnd. m also patel bt i dont support dis violnce n meangless andolan.

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    3. I hope someone translate it for him... and explain not being an idiot.

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  3. Also, 1 more thing I would like to add:

    Dont blame everything on government. Government could have easily given reservation to keep themself secured, and then would have left u guys to fight it in supreme court, knowing that supreme court will surely go against it, just as SC has done in all previous cases.

    Instead, u could have started a campaign for promoting 'economically based reservation'. In that case, not only patidar, but other communities would also have supported the campaign..

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    1. I agree. There is no point in blaming the government. We elect them. Directly. I don't exactly support any kind of reservation but reservation based on income is better than caste based reservation.

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    2. how can you define the term economically backward ..?? i mean in india people dont show there real worth .. so this option may look quite correct at first but in nation like ours that completely illogical and unpractical .

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    3. Reservation must end. Instead of giving caste or income based reservation, our government must help the underprivileged and educate them and make them fit for any kind of competitions. How can it be justified that a general caste student with 97 / 98% is denied admission coz that seat is reserved for OBC/SC/ST student who just scored 42%? Has any one ever thought that this general caste student might have been from a family where getting food even one time is a huge challan? Please have a thought on this!!

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    4. Reservation must end. Instead of giving caste or income based reservation, our government must help the underprivileged and educate them and make them fit for any kind of competitions. How can it be justified that a general caste student with 97 / 98% is denied admission coz that seat is reserved for OBC/SC/ST student who just scored 42%? Has any one ever thought that this general caste student might have been from a family where getting food even one time is a huge challan? Please have a thought on this!!

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    5. Also keeping in mind that most of the Indians are in informal sector where income do change frequently how do you suggest for providing reservation based on income?

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    6. @adi and people who thinks reservation is necessary based on cast system--
      reservation make no sense..
      what about the guy who is OPEN and poor
      we should leave them to death.. no one cares.. that's what you are trying to tell?
      If you think reservation based no economical condition is not perfect tell me how the heck your brain thinks that reservation based on cast system is Perfect?
      People who think that reservation is necessary today is actually psycho or selfish and i mean it.
      Why don't they feed poors, give education and all necessary stuff for free instead of putting dull student over clever?
      The system can be improved for sure. Let me grow up(my age) and i will show this world.
      Not trying to be rude but reservation sucks just like religion.
      Sagar

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    7. Do you really think the other community accepts them .. They have caste discrimination. is that simple thing to solve ? you are saying this things because you never faced that , so you don't understand a shit about that. you are just seeing a single side of a coin not the other side. Even well educated people are not able to accept SC or ST in there community. We are not allowed to be part of nice society even if we have the money to afford it.We are not allowed to go to nice school or college. And who says we get admission at 42%. At least check merit list before you blabber anything.The Merit difference is not more than 15%. And if you score half of the marks for being in their situations I will personally salute you. They don't have high class schools or high class tuitions like you guys. the other community they are more than 50% population is above middle class. and the this guys are 80% of population is below poor line. And upper community also thinks that if this people will educate them then their will be no labors.

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    8. But then you should ask for enough resources from government instead of khirat of reservation

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    9. Did you check the statistics of last 15yar just saying anything on the air.n every open category doesn't have nice school or college they are studying after working in farm n as long you didn't face his so you don't have any idea about how reservation suck us .we all face the demerits of reservations quote s.n that y we are against it.n how cheap your thinking about the last line regarding Labour. So just shut up n do your work don't show your low iq to us.

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  4. Beautifully written. To the point. Work for greater cause my fellow humans.

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    1. What about police beating childerns and women at night in their own houses ?? Police enters ur home at night and beat ur mother n sister recklessly wt hve u done than?

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    2. Asking womens to get out of their houses if they wnt reservation abusing womens is what u think police should do??? Bro go home n sleep

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    3. Ofocurse if Police does something wrong, they should be punished too. There is no question about it.

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    4. The Writer of the article should have studied the whole social-economical scene of the state, before writing it this confidently.
      Violence is surely not the way to solve the problem, But when system itself chooses this option, u give response as human nature.

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  5. He wont be able to understand this much English dear!

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    1. Don't underestimate anyone...

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    2. At least he will understand you are not with him and you support cast based reservation even though you think you don't. If you really don't support cast base reservation then where have you been till now and now opposing hardiks movement. You should have fucking opposed reservation earlier before movement have started then you wouldn't have to see this.

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    3. Mr Sujit,
      A lot of people have for a lot of years now opposed reservations. This is not first such movement. This is the first movement where people are saying give us reservation or take everyone else's reservation.

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    4. O fool , after this read I definitely can say you don't know how the police have behaved at GMDC at 8 o clock and after, And let me clear that if we demand for reservation or for removals of reservation then where you are sleeping go there and or come with us for clearances and justice...

      And according from your conclusion, you demand like "" aap log jao relli karo , fight karo or reservation nikal do aur game bethe bethe hi laddu mil jay""

      Huh let this make off dude...

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  6. I guess you seem to have been misinformed. The supporters never destroyed the property. It was the police who started this lathi charge on the common people who were at the gmdc grounds . & it was only then that people went paranoid. Why was there no warning before police probed lathi charge? Why isn't any minister taking responsibility for granting permission for the probe to the police ? I support Hardik Patel's vision & agenda. One can never get things straightforward in this country unless until one is either in supreme power or a legacy of one.

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    1. The police asked people to move out after 8pm. They did nothing before that time. No one moved out till it was 9pm and so police arrested Mr Hardik Patel. Once that happened, everyone started to destroy things and the police had to use lathi charge.

      I don't think Mr Hardik's vision and agenda are what he is showing them to be. I cannot decide whom you support or not support. I don't support this agenda.

      No one tried anything in a straightforward manner so we will never know if you can get anything that way.

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    2. get one thing clear, Mr. Owner. No warning was given, it was a direct lathi charged followed by power cut. I was there I know. And why do you think police even charged the media and destroyed their cameras? I don't give a damn what you say about Hardik Patel, he's nuts but the furious behaviors of patels wasn't coz of the arrest, it was coz the charge. I don't justify Patels' reaction to the charge but just wanna point out it was Police who started it and CM as well as Home Minister said that they didn't order any charge and even the city commissioner isn't saying anything about the charge if asked. Everybody knows major part of the police force comes from the castes who have reservation. They were frustrated and went out of government's control. Get your facts correct first, and you can write anything you want about Hardik, he's an ass.

      Yours truely,
      just like you, a common citizen of Gujarat who was at GMDC when it happened.

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    3. The permission for using GMDC ground was given for a limited time. If the ground had been vacated within the time, this would ve never happened. And with this sayin, I am not defending police. I am just sayin that pointin other's mistake wont lessen our mistakes.

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    4. What about the view video that clearly shows police came to stage and they were announcing something before forcing everyone.

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  7. we true, but all these efforts to make them understand would be vain. In case you need to convey this convey this to their God Father who are with them and using such kids like HP. Remember these kids are only able to deliver so much because they know they have some God Father behind them.

    the Point is to Make those GODFATHER understand what this city is going through.

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  8. Hardik Patel is fraud.. Hez a cheater..

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    1. if he is we won't care, and to clear things he is supporting whole patidar samaj instead of patidar samaj is supporting him. We will get what we want.

      Patel

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  9. F**king Shut your mouth writer if you dont know anything

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    1. I don't think that's how you are supposed to use those words.

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    2. Doesn't matter as long as you got it.

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    3. People who have something meaningful to share don't need swear words to put their point across. :)

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  11. crisp. practical and sensible observations. we are patels, but this HP is a marionette and is a funded-puppet. we are proud people and have built the hospitality industry in the US without reservation. yes, its a game being played by many and the 22 yr kid is simple a doormat...he'll know this soon.

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    1. Proud of you.
      Thats how it should be

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    2. I guess, Patels are capable of building their own colleges and schools. A respectable community, except for an Idiot, whose credentials are doubtful! Wasn't there a single sensible person till now who thought that they should be under reservation? If this madness continues, they will qualify for superior category than OBC i.e. MBC (Most Backward Class) ! I am a Gujarati and please don't put rest of the Gujarati Community to shame.

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    3. It's all rubbish what is going on in our reputed state. I myself won't give prime support to this cast who is demanding OBC, they don't have the ability to use there brains , for what to do what not. Our PM MR. NARENDRA MODI when he was the CM of GUJARAT used his brain to develop our GUJARAT as fast as it can, and it's a fact that each & every one in the world came to know that there is a person namely MR. NARENDRA MODI as a CM of GUJARAT. Pls respect the city as well as state & ofcource country our INDIA. Demanding for OBC this person is spoilding our state name which is in INDIA. Pls be carefull mr. hardik patel , use your brain in different manar so that you and your company can do some good for our state & for our country. mr. hardik patel you have chosen a wrong path , you have been a hero for few days but it's not real, you are spoilting the economy of our state which was beautifully maintain by MR. PM. NARENDRA MODI. Now go to your work & let others also work.

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  12. Good one, hope he learns English first and read it, he is hurting reputation of our gujrat

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    1. You are just living for reputation that is clearly understandable by your comment, I don't think about HP. But the main point is to remove reservations totally. I think you just need to think about what you are writing, just go and refresh your mind first.

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  13. If they are doing this for only patidar. They should affect only patidar people. Only close shops and offices of patidar owners. dont force other people to be included.

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  14. Who the hell is this dumbo idiot (@Hardi(c)kPatel), raat ko sapna aaya aur subh mooh utha k chal diye.....

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    1. He is the person who is fighting for his dream and same as whole open caste's dream.

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    2. A 22-year-old BCom graduate who helped his father run a small submersible-pumps business in rural Ahmedabad, Hardik Patel is the convener of Patidar Anamat Andolan Samiti (PAAS). Hardik, who graduated with less than 50% marks from Ahmedabad's Sahajanand College, comes from an average middle-class Patidar family from Viramgam, near Ahmedabad. His father is engaged in farming


      Bhai ko admission nai mila to Free time me socha Hoga politician ban jaate hai... Look bhi to milta-jhulta hai gundo saa i mean politicians jesa :D

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  15. As always this is also fight between good and bad right nd wrong ...reservation was ment for needi ones but now it is maximumly exercised by those who came out from that state quite back nd people are deprived against that those who are counted creamilayer classes are in not good condition. .people in them aslo seeks support...but now ceiling of reservation is shown to them...that is not proper at all.dirty mind set of politicians to gain from every opportunity has created d situation today...

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  16. I think hardik patel is still too immature to lead this kind of folk. He didn't go to the meeting held on 23rd by CM. I still can't get what does he want to prove. This is one of many signs of immaturity. And what did he do after his release? where is he now? Is it not his responsibility to stay with other gujaratis and make the things safe and peaceful to them and his other patidaar brothers as well? He didn't gave any single msg on riots.... Didn't try to cool down the situation. The CM and PM also gave msgs....so he thinks he's greater personality than them or he's just hiding? Isn't it his responsibility to make the things normal again? He's escaping now.

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  17. Totally agree with this letter.

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  18. Totally agree with this letter.

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  19. Totally agree with this letter.

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  20. Good, Rational, to the point writing! Can't imagine, how naive people have to be, to not see through the Politics behind all this. Unhappy BJP men and ministers, Congi Money, AAP and Nitish support, target Dethrone CM, prepare battle-ground for 2017 Elections so that either Nitin Patel or Saurabh Patel can be next CM, or atleast the Opposition front of Congi and others stands some chance of winning some seats. At such times you feel the real value of Narendra Modi. Whatever had happened in the 2002 riots, during his CMship was wrong, but till yesterday there was no such widespread distrubance in the Gujarati society. Hope Sanity prevails, and people can see through all this. Seeing some local news chanels like ETV, Sandesh, GSTV, it is clearly seen that instead of doing responsible reporting in such livid times, they are actually instigating this further. We need responsible Media too...

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  21. Only alternate and positive view to chanalise this PUBLIC-POWER is to ask/compel Govt to have "RESERVATION FOR TALENTED BUT ECONOMICAL POOR"...
    This may benefit to ALL the people of India.
    Unfortunately we are suffering A HIMALAYAN MISTAKE MADE BY " V P SING"...How worst ONE MEN can Damage the whole FUTURE OF SOCIETY OF INDIA, is classic example.
    This damage is more than even ENGLISH PEOPLE damage to India

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  22. Hardik must continue his fast unto death by way of swallowing a kilo of fafda, jalebi and khaman at a time. To begin with, he should begin by paying the rent of the GMDC ground and toll tax of thousands of vehicles- He can then proceed to pay the damages the public property and reimburse the human lives. Rest of the matter can be dealt with according to the law.

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  23. I agree to every point except that people were coming in expensive cars and were demanding reservation. They were there to support those patels who are economically backward. They were not their for their own reservation benefits. It means that if u have expensive cars u are not allowed to get reservation so what about the people who are in sc st or obc caste who have expensive cars ? Should they leave their reservation benefits ? According to your point they should also not get reservation right ? Ya and this point is totally legitimate that if you should not give urs reservation remove the reservation, hp clearly means to give equal opportunities to everyone. N last but not the least police went to some patel society n brutally started lathichagre. 3 people were seriously injured. 3 buildinds were set on fire near nikol. police went straight away to civilians house and started beating them in their own house. people are not safe in their own house. police watches anyone on road and starts hitting the person without any reason. Released tear gas in random patel society. And many more incidence happened. And this act is done by police without any orders from home minister. So don't judge unless u knw the story

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  25. First I want ask, why reservation is required? Is he know true fact about sc/st. My friend is from st and he said me. We don't need reservation but casteism is their so we need it. If people , company give them job without asking cast so they not need reservation.

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  26. Very true. On a lighter note I hope he can read English..

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  27. If he was educated and sensible enough to understand this..events of yesterday wouldn't have taken place! It's just a political stunt to gain political mileage. Everybody knows they can't get what they want by holding the government to ransom.

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  28. He do not know what he is speaking and demanding. Totally aggressive speech. Without knowing and understanding our great Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel ,just miss using his name.Sardar was the man to unite INDIA and made it powerful. This person is using his name and power given by Sardar to divide the society and ruining public property. He is just doing this thing for personal political set up. And public is fool to blindly follow him.

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  29. super .. fully agree with your whole context

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  30. I totally agree with your whole context

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  31. 1) what it mean by government property?? Who pay the taxes??

    2) how often government agreed with your demand without loud voice??

    3) Give the reservation to all, so automatically it will be cancelled or remove it so that it will cancelled.... Output will be same in both the cases.

    4) why Hardik should go for any other youth movement? Reservations are not important??

    5) Out of 10lakh Schedule tribe people; 1000 has Audi then should we remove reservation for whole community??

    6) why didn't you questions MP & MLA from where they got money for elections??

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  32. My dear common citizen, no wonder you make a valid point... Hopefully this letter finds him well n make him realize!

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  33. Dear owner,

    I request you to create a translation of this letter as what it looks by the scenario is that Mr. Patel leader either is illiterate or barely passed literate. So m sure where literacy is a doubt there education is far beyond imagination. So it's a humble request for a translation so that your worthy letter reaches to his notice. Though I don't expect him to understand this as some rebels are not here to actually create a change instead they are here just for the showbiz. And the worst reality is that there are many educated dumbs who are actually supporting him for this insane and unethical activity. I pity them. Though as an other common citizen I appreciate your effort and a foot forward. Thank you.

    Citizen

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  34. There should be no reservation for anybody. Everybody must get everything on the basis of their eligibility.

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    1. This is the fight started against full reservation system. Support changing it from patidar anamat to against reservation fight And again Gujarat will make you proud.

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  36. You fool I know that your are the one who belonging from general category but non PATIDAR and you want reservation to but your community is so weak to do this what we did. You people don't have courage.

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  37. My friend, you dont even have guts to share your name and writes the letter on behalf of common man!! Your letter is not at all supportable without reference.

    I dont support hardik patel for what has happened since yesterday but also dont support reservation at all.
    So a common man, an Indian would support the fight against reservation.

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    1. Let me explain to you how opinions work. This letter on the owner's blogpost is his own OPINION in the form of an open letter. An opinion does not require any reference. Oh and writers from Chekov to benjamin franklin to Dickens, Carr, Arthur Blair (George Orwell) have written without sharing their name. It is a style of writing and does not in anyway mean that the person does not have guts. So maybe you should abstain from making personal remarks.
      Also, in addition to the above, you need to realise that reservation in itself is not an evil. Equals to be treated equally and unequals unequally. However, its implementation today is. You should probably delve a little deeper into the issue before using the common man tag.

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  38. The problem lies in mentality of Indian we never think of overselves as Indian but we will say I am panel, i am brahmin etc.

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  39. Patels did hit back by launching the violent anti-reservation movements of 1981 and 1985 which targeted both Dalits and OBCs. Anyone commenting against the current move please get your facts clear that at that time None from other caste supported this movement and now that people who don't know anything are saying like this. I agree violence shouldn't have happened but think atleast before you comment on social media. Else it's your right do whatever you guys want.

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  40. Hardik Patel = Another Filthy Shit Of Our Country

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  41. hats off to Hardik for such a brave thing!!!!

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  42. how about removing reservations but providing facilities so that the people from backward castes have equal opportunity in education and job- by merit ! Reservations after all don't provide the capability of learning/ being competitive if they have no proper education in previous years anyway, thus keeping the viscous cycle of "backwardness" alive.
    And I am wondering, i share the opinion with many people, but this topic is much less popular than providing more reservations!

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  43. Hardik Patel is asshole.his destroying Patel patidar samaj.we all need to stop him instead off joining with him in relly.stupid public in India have nothing to do.he need to start taking English classes.and why his speech was in Hindi? You were in Ahmadabad so I'm pretty sure everyone who joined in relly speak Gujarati.his getting my nervous.stop stop stop and hardik Patel you need to grow up man.you are just 22 and you are destroying your images.

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  44. I am totally agreed with you SIR...

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  45. Anyone knows where is this Hardik Patel now? Media also not asking? Everyone just fighting for reservation. Hardik Patel says, "We follow the path of Shaheed Bhagat Singh and Sardar Patel" but I don't think they disappear on time? Is he really want to fight for reservation or just wanted to fool people for his own cause. Not sure????

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    1. Shaheed Bhagat Singh and Sardar Patel sacrifice for the Great India but can you see any cause in Hardik Patel's protest which makes India Proud? Please do not spoil great people's image for your own filthy requirement.

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  46. I appreciate the unity of patidar community but the movement of reservation is converted in violence. its clearly a violence in life of common people. Please stop this violence.

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  47. Nice reply. Honestly I too didn't know who he was until few days ago. Incidentally I was reading an interesting article earlier today whether Hardik Patel is instigating a anti-reservation movement. There is definitely an interesting side to it.

    http://www.firstpost.com/india/patidars-for-obc-is-hardik-patel-actually-spearheading-an-anti-reservation-movement-2408578.html

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  48. Truely agree with your blog.
    If they really mean to have solution for reservations there have been more way. But destroying public property, closing everything make things so worst for citizens, is completely not acceptable. Who will be paying for all this.a common person who's vehicle was badly crushed n car was destroyed who will bare the loss? All this doing made no sense at all.

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  49. I would request the writer to attach a video of aaj tak halla bol program (6 pm video). Hardik patel was invited to be a part of it. Just let people see the answers given by him (and ofcourse by a few politicians).

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  50. Yes...Agree with you.. If someone send it to hardik then he should be understood these things. Because it is not a subject of any state government.
    Also one thing is that it will again create fight between two cast of Gujarat.
    I hope everyone should understand it...

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  51. Total agree..shanti banaye rakhe Gujarat me plz

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  52. Remove reservation at all stages, Support all economical backward class people irrespective of caste. Find out people by inviting their claims for economical backward, Use technology for this job, Analyze by way of full proof @ their claim of being economical backward. Start giving reservation to those first having not his/her own house/farm.gradually study and include more people in this list without any political interference.

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  54. I agree with u.... Peace..!!

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  55. Superb! Well written, to the point!

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  56. Agreed with your point. But have to say few points.
    1. Reservation was introduced only for few years probably for 10 years so that the people living under poverty can grow in positive way and after that it should be removed. But our great politicians have extended it till date and even increase the percentage from 10% to 49%. Even after that they wanted to increase it but some logical and neutral judiciary system has announced that it must be limited to 49% in any case except for Tamilnadu where it is 69%. Our great politicians are just worried about their votebank and not for Indians.
    2. You said that in rally some people (not all) came with their luxurious cars. But brother they were raising their voice for their people and not for their own. It shows the unity of the people.

    3.Then you wrote about the crazy honking. My friend, in Ahmedabad everyone does honking madly without any reason without seeing the time weather it is early morning or mid night. I observed each and everyone, educated or uneducated, four wheeler driver or two wheeler driver, everyone does unnecessary honking without missing a moment. First try to oppose that then finger point some people who does it for few hours only, just to awake sleeping politicians.

    4. Talking about opposing the govt in a legal way must be the bullshit thing in my openion. First look at the numbers of pending cases in courts which are very less. Even if your case goes in fast track court(which is verrryy fast), corrupt judiciary system won't give you justice at all.

    5.looking at your point of accepting violent way and damaging the public property, then I would say in such rally or "Aandolan" which has strength of more then thousand grand, few people would definitely act as a part of good thing but behave negatively to spoil the positive impression.

    I do want to mention some more points but I think above points are more than enough to make the system truly transparent.

    Thank you guys for reading.

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  57. Mr Hardik Patel did was wrong I agree. However the thing that worries me is that there are thousands of uneducated people who would follow people like Mr Hardik Patel and these are the people that would have a say who would govern our country. Gives me shivers..

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  58. Hardik is immature, NOT wrong

    Originally the Reservation was for ten years after independence to uplift underprivileged. (A NOBEL Idea initiated by then leaders). Then after it was extended for another ten years. But, Congress-I saw an opportunity of a VOTE bank and everyone else including BJP continued to follow on that foot steps.

    Many says Hardik Patel or Whoever else there are, are AAP's & Kejrival or Congress-I and Sonia's agents doing things to bring BJP down in Gujarat. Well, It doesn't matter who they are and what their motive is. What matter is this "ISSUE" of unlawful Reservation which he has raised and in last 65 years, same issue has been raised four times. One must understated current Reservation polices are made to make a VOTE BANK happy. It has nothing to do with uplifting underprivileged. It has lost its original value. Unfortunately Today, it is nothing but a dirty politics.

    Trust me, the instability is not created by any Congress or Kejri. It is a fire burning in people (પાટીદાર) who has lost the opportunities over and over again had it be school-college admission for higher education or in a job sector. It was a fire awaiting for some one to come an ignite it.

    This Gujarat agitation's main goal is NOT to add Patel's into an OBC / BC / SC category, instead, it is સીધા હાથે નહિ તો ઉલટા હાથે કાન પકડવા ની strategy છે, the idea behind is to સાપ એ છછુંદર ખાધા ની હાલત કરાવી ને remove all Reservation PERIOD.

    Reservation shall be "જાત-ભેદ" વગર for "ALL" Economically Poor including Patidar, Bhramins, Vaniya, Christians, Shiks, Muslims, ETC. If anyone under poverty line qualifies, make entire education FREE for those candidates. However, they must prove their worthiness and the Higher School and all job admission / appointment shall only be based on MERITS.

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  59. Congress, BJP, RJD, JDU, AAP or any ABCD. The will have to let go this VOTE BANK "લાડવો". Get on to the business and reform this in way it should be which is ONLY on a Economical Line.

    Yes, agreed that both parties should have handled it better, but then as I said this ISSUE has been raised four times in last 65 years (All Violent Andolan) and still the RESERVATION has gone from BAD to WORST. It probably wont be solved this time either. But, be prepared for time and time, this Issue will keep coming on the table and each time it will get worst in casualties / damages. Certainly can't blame the victims. Anyone to be blamed will be this or then government in Power.

    Unfortunately, things does not change without revolution. And one must support the fight against injustice. The fight against today's Reservation is a fight against injustice. We at least have to support the issue if NOT the process.

    I believe wrong is wrong and everyone should voice against injustices. Things may not change at this time, but got to do something. Of course, a Peaceful demonstration is what we all will prefer. But then, India or anywhere else in the world. It is never a peaceful when there is a High Charged "MOB" involved. There are always opportunist waiting to take advantage of their own nasty agenda.

    Honorable "CM" has issued a sophisticated message. Of course it sounds and appears logical message. She spin the whole issue an avoided the main cause of this Reservation issue. What is there to discuss on table and talk when everyone knows what is wrong and what needs to be changed.

    It is an OLD issue which all non Congress leaders have fought against the Congress during when Congress was in Power. Now, in center it is Namoji and In Gujarat it is her. Go ahead and make the changes. If changing the law is an issue, well, if you can open the Supreme Court in middle of night for a Terrorist, than why not for PATIDAR???

    The point is "When there is a WILL, there is a way". If "CM" or "PM" wanted to solve the problem, why wait for this big of ANDOLAN. They could have done it without this agitation. They both are GUJARATI. Oh and "CM" તો પાટીદાર પણ છે અને she was a Teacher in 80's when ANAMAT ANDOLON happened. શું બંને નેતા ઓ એ વાત થી અજાણ છે......????? Stop being so NAIVE.

    મારા મંતવ્યે આ એક સાચી અને ન્યાય ની લડાય છે, દરેક રાજનીતિક પાર્ટી ઓ એ આ "વોટબેંક" રાજનીતિ ની આડ માં પાટીદારો-ભ્રામણો-વાણીયા તથા અન્ય બીજી so called ઉજળિયા જાત ને ઓહમીયા છે. જયારે હકીકત તો એ પણ છે કે ઘણા ખરો આ ઉજળિયા વર્ગ માનેલા OBC / BC / SC category ના પછાત વર્ગ કરતા પણ ગરીબ છે. Enough is Enough. However, let's just hope there are no Violent demonstration as it always takes away the focus from the main ISSUE. Gandhi Bapu once said "In a Gentle way, you can Shake the World".

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  60. This letter has drafted very nicely and agree with every on that reservation based on caste must be removed. The under privilege (financially) must be funded directly or indirectly to induce healthy race for professional academic admission. This would prove to be building India on using right intellectuals.

    By way of giving reservation, in fact govt is encouraging so called under privileged people not to study much as professional degrees are eager to be with them whether intellectually capable or not. The same capable (!!??) creamy (!!??) Indians would join qouta based govt job empowered to take nation building decision !!! In a way, we are holding hope of constructing the strongest building using the poorest quality raw materials....

    I did not like in letter that what to do whether volunteers or members of Andolan come in expensive car or in bullocks cart. Their ( in fact All Indians in General Category) demand is very much valid. The message given by the Andolan is crystal clear, may be means of passing message challenging. But it is sheer in justice by highlighting method of conveying message incorrect, one must not push the real burning issue under the carpet.

    Educated people would do agree with me that Environmental rule believes in Survival of the fittest. Being human we started caring Animals on the verge of extinct and protecting them aiming increase in their population. But protection beyond certain point may create threat for your (human) existence. We have provided sufficient protection to such once upon a time under privilege caste. They are no more under privileged. Another argument would be, there are few still fall in that category.... my question to all of us is, group of people who could not take benefit by their 3 generations. It's very simple, they do not want come out , they might be happy doing their tradition, else 3 generations would by more than sufficient to prove themselves.

    My appeal to govt is , not to worry about such stubborn caste and bring common civil code in which caste and gender have no say.

    Lets think about building stronger India unbiased by gender and /or caste.

    One Loving Indian & still in India by choice, not by force or compromise

    - Indian Citizen ( hiding identity due to fear of harassment)

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  61. In our country India that is 'Bharat' if discrimination of people is on the caste basis then reservation should be on the caste basis.Political parties offer election tickets on the caste basis and maximum people cast their votes to the candidate who belongs to their caste.Otherwise show me how many candidates from reserve category(especially from SC, ST) elected from open seats in recent parliament election?
    Before blaming the reservation you should see reason behind reservation.Reservation is for socially backward castes. In our country reservation is from last 2000 to 3000 years. Do you know how this is? Listen my brother what is written in manusmriti
    Brahmins are top of the caste system they "only" have the right to take education and teaching. Kshatriy "only" take part in battle and they are second in caste hierarchy . Vaishya can "only" enjoy commerce and Shudras only have to serve above castes. isn't it reservation?
    what came first in India Reservation or caste? -> caste;yes. so first remove caste then remove reservation. Otherwise if you have problem with reservation I advise you come in SC or ST category and I will become Brahmin and I will happily leave reservation.Reservation is not personal property or birth right it is for representation of backward castes.Reservation is required until all castes in India have equal representation and opportunities.

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    1. A more in depth reading of the literature on the vedas and smritis might help you in understanding that the brahmin, kshatriya, vaishya, shudra division was on the basis of jobs and not intended to be on the basis of birth. However, I agree with you that over time it became so and the SC, ST and other backward classes were mistreated for centuries. I am completely in favour of reservation. However, the implementation is incorrect.
      So.. I have a friend. His dad is in the defence services at a senior post. He gets reservation. Does he deserve it? He went to good schools, his parents were educated, the society he lived in did not antagonize him in any form. Simply put, should there be reservation for him just because he belongs to backward community?
      There are a lot of people like that. They may not be part of the majority but they are a sizable chunk

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  62. true it is man.. ithink hardik patel should say saometimg on this.. that what is his Propaganda.. We all should Stand Aginst Tis Reservation System and not Asking for reservation..atlast noboday going to have something BUtHArdik Ani mandli surely gonna MAke something from it. and We Should PRotest AGAinst This CAst base Reservation System

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  63. Agreed. Someone please tell this fellow that it's not only the patidar community who's lacking behind, there are may other communities too. I don't know what's in his mind and what forced him to do this. Maybe because he didn't get a job.
    Dude get a life! And stop it.

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  64. this letter is completely biased.. changes and revolutions are must .. i know what is happening is not correct but then this is the outburst of masses you cant control that and specially when you are the one who has initiated it.. its true the ground was permitted only till 8 pm but then lathicharging the people is not the correct thing to be done and that too without warning.. we did our meetings peacefully throughtout the day .. its fault on the police side and the management side that they took the rules in there hand.

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  65. dear friend..lets test your views..don't remove this comment if you are really want to expose system......two contradict views on your two different blog post...first one is below...
    http://www.mytwocents.co.in/2015/04/wealth-gap-v-opportunity-gap-which-one.html

    your blog says..."""""The problem begins when people try to bridge the wealth gap by using the misguided Robin Hood concept i.e. to take from the rich and give to the poor. Someone very aptly said that sometimes we get so engrossed in figuring out how to best distribute the money that we have that we forget to concentrate on generating that money""""""

    and in this blog you says..."''''It was also great to see people come in really expensive cars to rallies and then claim to be 'under priviledged'. As a lot of people have noted, a 'show of strength' to prove that you are one of the 'weaker castes' is hilariously ironic. If the money spent in organizing this rally was used to help the poor brethren of your community, no one in the community would even need reservation.""""""

    being a responsible community member..i also feel guilty for current situation...we hope somehow this would be part of EBC (Economical backward cast) based reservation or Reservation free India...

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    1. jay patidar...we are on demanding equality in the country which was meant to provide equality ..

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    2. as compared to people those who commented on anonymous person's post..we would like to be with some one who is ready to face the situation and has courage to prove something...

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    3. Mr Hardik Patel,

      I would be great if you don't post my address and phone number on different comments. I don't have my name on this blog because I want my views to be taken as views of a citizen of India and not as a man's /woman's/ gujarati's/hindu's or any other such views.

      Congratulations on your superb detective skills but if you share my number and address without my permission, I will have to report you.

      I hope you understand. Thank you and have a good day.

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  66. Wow zero comments till date to 88.

    Good going. By the way tell your surname i will share complete history of your community.

    Che himmat ?

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    1. My surname doesn't define who I am. No one's surname defines them. It should be that way. I am a citizen of India and that should be enough for me to put my views on the issue.

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    2. @anonymous: Coming from a person who is posting anonymously that is a brave statement to make. If only you understood that your surname, community does not define who you are and that you are an individual separate from your community and your surname.
      Maybe you should try and get an identity as an individual.

      Che himmat?

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  67. People who have not suffered are against PAAS and as a supporter I suggest u to have a survey on current scenario,then you poke ur nose orelse stay away n keep mum...

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    1. Wow! the ignorance regarding freedom of speech is phenomenal. You cannot stop anyone from sharing their opinion on subjects. For eg: You say, "Sachin is a such a selfish cricketer. Whenever he scores a century India loses." It is your opinion. No matter how incorrect. I can tell you that you are wrong and present facts but I cannot ask you to keep mum.

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  68. We totally agree with you. Further to state that Govt of Gujarat should file a suit against Mr, Hardik Patel and should see that case will be on fast track and ensure that he should be penalized heavily for being responsible for damage to the public and private property of peaceful Gujarati Community

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  69. I read some of the comments and realised that 90% are unaware about real situation, in case of social imbalance, political or economical. Let me clear you guys, I'm a Patel but Australia resident. Initially I was against the reservation, then I came across real situation in India. So I did bit of research and that made me completely blank.
    Did anyone think why so called rich and famous Patels are asking for reservation? Why a peaceful community would do violence? Why governments are not adding them to OBC quotes? Last but not least, why now?
    Let me answer last question first, why Patels are asking reservation now, why they didn't ask before? If you pour water in a glass, after reaching its limit sure it is going to overflow. Patels used to businesses and farming, and still many in there. Due to the financial breakdown and knowing benefitsof education, parents started educating their children. But with 90-95% in marits they weren't able to get admissions in Medical or other higher educational institutions. After paying millions of rupees while getting job, they were struggling with reservation quotes. So at the end of the day they are at the same place were they were before but with too much of financial and time loss. This thing made them frustrated and came along with reservation demand.
    Each of them was affected by curl reservation system. 'Aag to lagi thi bas chingari ki zarurat thi' and that was done by Hardik Patel. So everyone supports him as a medium to government. Officially he followed the procedure to get reservation, but government refused without investigating the current situation. So community left only with agitation option.
    The reason they asked for reservation is, if they demand to remove reservation then all other castes who have been feed by golden breads, they would have opposed it. Government won't remove reservation because it's a vote bank for them, they won't like to be as opposition in next term.
    If you want to see real results of reservation, then compare any government organisation with same private but without reservation. The growth, services, quality or anything related to the organisation would be better in the private one.
    Do you believe that the movement lead by Bhagatsinh, Chandra Shekhar were against country 's economical and social growth? If not, then how can you say that Patels are against? Everyone knows it is not a way to get something, there are many better ways to get it. But when someone whom your asking for is duf or blind, you need to shake them to realise that you want something from them. That will get their attention and then further things can be proceeded. So don't blame Patels for being violent.
    At last, I would like to suggest one of the middle way to get out of this situation. If government think again on reservations, then removing it completely is only the option. To get vote bank back, they should provide financial schemes for economical backward class. That will make everyone to work hard and get scholarship, which can be very helpful for country. This can make society to come together and help each other. This can be real 'Vikas'.
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    1. we believe in reservation but it should be based on Economical conditions not based on caste....

      can anyone prove that all patels are rich and all reserved caste people are poor? just read a blog...a guy from OBC said he apply in general category because his reserved seat can be used for needy OBC student....can't you expect the same from rich patel for poor patel?
      http://www.quora.com/What-do-the-SC-ST-OBC-people-feel-about-the-caste-based-reservation-system-inBusiness Insider India

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    2. I totally agree with you.
      2 of my friends from reservation, but they had enough percentage to get into MBBS as general. So they reduced 2 seats for general category. That's why I am opposing the reservation system

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  70. I read some of the comments and realised that 90% are unaware about real situation, in case of social imbalance, political or economical. Let me clear you guys, I'm a Patel but Australia resident. Initially I was against the reservation, then I came across real situation in India. So I did bit of research and that made me completely blank.
    Did anyone think why so called rich and famous Patels are asking for reservation? Why a peaceful community would do violence? Why governments are not adding them to OBC quotes? Last but not least, why now?
    Let me answer last question first, why Patels are asking reservation now, why they didn't ask before? If you pour water in a glass, after reaching its limit sure it is going to overflow. Patels used to businesses and farming, and still many in there. Due to the financial breakdown and knowing benefitsof education, parents started educating their children. But with 90-95% in marits they weren't able to get admissions in Medical or other higher educational institutions. After paying millions of rupees while getting job, they were struggling with reservation quotes. So at the end of the day they are at the same place were they were before but with too much of financial and time loss. This thing made them frustrated and came along with reservation demand.
    Each of them was affected by curl reservation system. 'Aag to lagi thi bas chingari ki zarurat thi' and that was done by Hardik Patel. So everyone supports him as a medium to government. Officially he followed the procedure to get reservation, but government refused without investigating the current situation. So community left only with agitation option.
    The reason they asked for reservation is, if they demand to remove reservation then all other castes who have been feed by golden breads, they would have opposed it. Government won't remove reservation because it's a vote bank for them, they won't like to be as opposition in next term.
    If you want to see real results of reservation, then compare any government organisation with same private but without reservation. The growth, services, quality or anything related to the organisation would be better in the private one.
    Do you believe that the movement lead by Bhagatsinh, Chandra Shekhar were against country 's economical and social growth? If not, then how can you say that Patels are against? Everyone knows it is not a way to get something, there are many better ways to get it. But when someone whom your asking for is duf or blind, you need to shake them to realise that you want something from them. That will get their attention and then further things can be proceeded. So don't blame Patels for being violent.
    At last, I would like to suggest one of the middle way to get out of this situation. If government think again on reservations, then removing it completely is only the option. To get vote bank back, they should provide financial schemes for economical backward class. That will make everyone to work hard and get scholarship, which can be very helpful for country. This can make society to come together and help each other. This can be real 'Vikas'.
    Thanks

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    1. Exactly not all patels have business and not all patels have land .. not all patels are rich .. similarly not all bramins have ( infact most of them ) dont have land nor you find them doing business .. so why common cast has to suffer that is the question .. no matter its rajput , bramin or patel .. In all India medical post graduation .. frined of mind bramin got 2237 rank .. he didnt get MD medicine nor OBG , however guy with rank 31000 SC / SC got MD medicine at reputed college in Delhi .. now what the fuck is wrong with this system.

      this is why some1 like hardik patel has to raise the voice .. against the system .. and yes there will be COLLATERAL DAMAGE ..

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    2. Dude chill. IF you think that Patels are losing out on jobs/education that so are brahmins/Shah's/Desai's & more. Asking for reservation is not a solution to this problem. So if next year all High ranking caste protest for inclusion in reservations, you shouldn't be against it , correct ? You HAVE to support it since they also have equal rights to all such things.

      Your research is flawed, if you think that 90-95% is not getting admission then it doesn't mean that you need reservation. Its not patels who are not getting admission but whoever is in General quota won't get it. If we look at your logic, then CBSE/ICSE students should burn down all Gujarat board schools as they were/are not given Equal seats in merit.Noe that doesn't makes sense, does it ?

      See the problem is you think you are THE VICTIM but thats not true, you won't go and visit your SC/ST friends and have dinner at their place cooked by their mother. They have faced 1000 years of agony and to uplift them the whole reservation was done so that can be treated equally.

      There are lots and lots of documentaries related to castism and how it is still there in rural/urban places. We just don't admit it because that shows naked ugly face of our society. Just tell me if you would be happy to be called your caste backward/OBC/SEBC/XYZ and you will feel proud in calling that. I bet you won't. I'm pretty sure the grass which looks green on other side is not green.

      After reading this, don't conclude that I'm from low caste as I'm not supporting patels. I'm as high caste as it can be.

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    3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HskE3AwtNtY&list=PL7CR5HbKYpV1pdm2yefy7KY93L01FbH7M

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    4. where were you till 50 years . why now it should be very early

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    5. Dude! It's not only patels who are suffering there are many other communities too who land into general category. What about them? I am also a baniya who belongs to general category don't i have a right to get a seat into iits, iims, aiims and other educational institutes? Stop being biased. And stand against reservations based on caste. Government won't give any reservation to you people no matter what.

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  71. Please stop debate and do your work .... India has AIDS which can't qure ..... We have to suffered till end of the life. Illiterate Government and illiterate Public..... No commen sence

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  72. Great letter the one should learn from it the real meaning of vikas.
    If he took a stand for removing reservation instead of asking for his samaj, it would have been much better.

    But if this guy can't handle this big crowd to be calm and maintain discipline, its not worth it.

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  73. Reservations are for lower caste people, who are poor & backtrodden.
    Do Hardik Patel think patidars are down trodden or back ward people?
    And also can Hardik Patel tell me how many jobs patidars will get in next few years?
    Some one truly said that common sense is not common.

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    1. U might be from reservation caste. I'm sure ypu haven't feel the pain of not getting admission / job just because of reservation. Sometime admission/ job is more important than money.

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    2. So is that specific for Patels only. any one who is general and cant make it to the merit list faces the pain.. so every one should be reserved?? pl. stop this bullshit. lets stand up for abolishment of social reservation so that only economic reservation prevails..

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  74. Peaceful protest for demand is a right of every citizens.. but, Violation must not be happen in any cost

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  75. A humble request to all my brothers , sisters, uncle aunt from the beneath of my heart I on behalf of request you to stop this violence. Gujarat is one of the safest state of India . Don't create a history of violence.. the reserve quota is meant for needy ones they had nothing with them . we know that u also face some problems but those problems can be discussed and resolve . Instead of asking for OBC category you should have asked to remove category and made it general for all. No caste no discrimination. you don't need to ask any one if he /she is reserved or not ? instead concession should be provided based on Economical conditions not based on caste!!!!. we all read in school about "right of equality" then hoow one can forget it. I request remove all reservation make it general n provide help to needy ones .

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  76. Something rotten, and wish something good will come from it.

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  77. Good article. I would just like to point out that you are a citizen of India not Gujarat. We should all take pride in calling ourselves Indians rather than based on caste and creed only then can we think of the betterment of the nation. But I do believe that caste based reservations should be removed. It's insane. A person should be judged on their merits and nothing more than that. The government should put other measures in place for the upliftment of the backward economic class people. People are just taking advantage in the name of reservation and no wonder India is suffering from a major brain drain where some of the most capable people are preferring to live outside India.

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  78. Dear Author ,

    Its a nice article and when I started reading it , its looks non biased article from a common man .. but I would like to point of few things here before the lathi charge is done on any mass there are few steps that has to be followed

    1) Give warning on mike using speaker ( not given )
    2) Reat the warning three times ( no given )
    3) Use Tear Gas to vacate the place ( not used )
    4) If required fire in air ( not done )

    Now after this if the situation is not under control rule says that you can use the lathi charge at given time as above 4 didnt worked.

    I am not sure you were there yesterday or not .. but lights went off , public was surrounded from 3 sides only side was kept open to run .. and at the entrance police was there and doing lathi charge on everyone ..

    why on the earth you have to switch off the lights ??
    why the hell you dont give any warnings

    on top of that my dear friend police started damaging the bikes and cars ?? was that needed ?? I dont think so ..

    what hardik did was completely wrong not vacating the ground .. but police has to give warning before taking such step .. keeping in mind this situation will get worse .. however it seems it was pre planned and government themself wanted this to happen .. again . some1 wanted to repeat the godhara kand and become a hero overnight..

    22 yr kid cant do this alone , not even can be done by expert in such a sort time .. it look like a act which was preplanned before 6months or more suppored by very powerful leaders under a mask .. although time will tell the outcome .. but my point is what police did was wrong along with the result followed by patidar public.



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    1. The facts reported by the letter state that the public was asked to vacate after the stipulated time was over, what's wrong with that ?

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    2. Dear Riya,
      First of all its open ground. Any one can go there.
      Police arrested without warrant.
      Instead there was order from govt that hardik should not be arrested.
      They started lathi charge instead giving request to protestors!!

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    3. Cognizable offence. You can be arrested without a warrant. As per newsreports there were warnings. So it is your word against reports. The only fact is that they should have vacated by 8 pm and they didn't. The fire in the air part is before you shoot at the person. Secondly, tear gas and lathicharge are mutually exclusive. You do not have to do one before doing the other.

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  79. salutations of the letter itself is in correct RESPECTED

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  80. The most sensible thing I read all day.
    Brilliantly written! I hope Mr. Patel reads this.

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  81. My simple question to all is if you get surgery on body and who you choose if two doctors there 1st doctor with 98% knowledge and pass all medical examination throughout and 2nd with 50% knowledge and pass all examination with 4 five trial.
    As he got admission on 50 on medical do you think he does good in exams and have knowledge of medical professionals better than who has 98%.
    Look same scenario for engineers who build bridges and our homes
    If we talk about government officials who has better administration guts 98% pass student or 50% student

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  82. 1. Lets see what happen If Patidar ask to remove the reservation?
    All other caste who has reservation will blame patidar for removing reservation. They ask for equal right. If all people can get reservation there is no such as reservation. Patidar do not want to remove other people's right, all they want is "Their own right". Patidar do not have any problem with other caste, So do not try to make it caste issues.
    2. Why speech was in Hindi? If you about rally, you should know that people from Maharastra also joined the rally. As we all know only Gujarati people knows Gujarati Langue very well
    3. Have you decided which party you are supporting? Which party will give justice to patidar samaj, patidar will support that party. About political action, BJB people say patidar is with Conjress, Conjress say with BJB and when they both talk they say patidar samaj is with AAB.

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  83. I think all discussion is going now on other way , fact is whatever Hardik Patel is doing it is not for community but under community name he is playing big game, Hardik plz do whatever you want to do but not at the cost of innocent people and government property. Your campaign taken so many innocent peoples life, so many public property caught in fire, what a waste? If it is for good cause I don't think it will turn like terrorist attack...... so sad, pitty on your parents and your community :(


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  84. I think he is a nerd who has no knowledge and nothing potential in his talks, Even he don't know what he will get in the end, so moral of the story was He is misguiding people with his stubborn behavior, and to the people who trusted him, they are even more foolish as they also don't dig into this matter in detail and just jumped to do so whatever he told everyone, But for the point to remove reservation I am agreeing but not anything else at all, and come on He is just 22 years old and never paid up tax also, but who has given right to him or his supporters to demolish government property.

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  85. Totally agreed with this letter.. Gujrat growth no need to tell anyone in last few years in all over india. I wish because of one stupid 22year old young boy this state will go back in past.
    Requesting this young men think about country not only one community .
    As per my knowledge this community no need any reservation as this community big part already well settled in all over word and knowing hard and smart person in this world.

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  86. Anyone here has guts to say in public that remove the reservation from all caste.....the movement you speak ,within an hour people(you can understand who) will started fighting with you and your caste,....so it will be agianst two caste,not aginst government...if fight is with government then there can be peace at certain level..,other wise situation will be worst if hardik Patel says" remove the reservation". if you are feeling your caste should get reservation or there should be no reservation then start movement against government....then it will be issue for government what to do with reservation system....you fool always want to take benefits of some one else's movement...,why Patel should start fight with other caste to make benefits to those loosers from other community,,,,

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    1. Seriously, don't take personally (please I mean it), what is it actually? Do you want reservation? or Do you want to remove it totally? Be clear about it first. Please stop calling names(those looser from other community), I hope you know that is illegal in India. hey by the way, I have put my name here.

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  87. Under the circumstances of reservation in India, any wise man who has issue with reservation would rally to remove the reservation and not increase it.

    This rally is clearly for disruption.

    Hardick is 22, may have the knowledge of some things, but he certainly does not have the wisdom.

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  88. Is there any proof that shows that those were the only patidars who were involved in destroying public and private properties.? I heard that a group of ppl who are already leveraging the Reservations have attached the rally. If they can attack a peaceful rally, they can do anything,, And,, What was the Intention behind Police destroying Vehicles and Cameras of Media folks ??

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  89. Just see how police is doing this thing acting like mob
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HskE3AwtNtY&list=PL7CR5HbKYpV1pdm2yefy7KY93L01FbH7M

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  90. Thank you for a coherent piece, well written informative and presenting all the facts.

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  91. I being students strongly stand up for all the reservation as we open cast people get 79 75%n don't get admission where we want n people getting reservation seats get admission in same college at 50 n 60% so request to remove all reservation

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    1. Dude that is absolutely right, But you must know because of open cast kept most classes under them for very long time, So what benefits our upper generation has taken we are paying current tribute to bring those classes equal. Eventually it should be removed but not as you are saying that 50 to 60 % getter should not be given right to mentally evolve, and being that it will create ofcourse very big crowd of Rich and Poor. So help them getting mentally evolve and yes changes in reservation system must be there so that all gets fair chance.

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  92. Agree to your point heavily, And these are my points while discussing this situation. But yes reservation can not be removed completely, as really there are people who still need to be evolved mentally from many villages... Lets hope government make better decision in current days. and All get fair chance to see future brightly :)

    Thanks for putting right words to the community who is following blindly or intentionally.

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  93. Dear all,
    I don't completely support reservation but this reservation have come because of the low n cheap mentality of the upper class people in the past. And about general category people who are poor there are various provisions like EBC, TFWS etc. I suggest you to read all the information about the scholarships offered to general category students. An open category student can score 97-98% because he gets all the facilities compared to a reserved category student. And if one open student gets 97-98% marks without facilities then government has provisions to sponsor the education for him. And how can you people consider yourself wiser than all those people who made such decisions and protocols. Reservation is in practice only because of the mentality of the upper class people.

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  94. What will you do?
    Situation:
    You / Your family member didn't participated in any andolan.
    You parked your car in your parking area.
    You are not any of patidar.
    You are from obc / non general category.
    Police came in to your house and started hitting your son, daughter and wife. Almost lose of 5 lakh INR in total for sitting at home and staying in ahmedabad.


    Now give answer what you will do? Don't you go against police?

    To write open letters and spread messages is other things.
    And it happened in other states also, not in gujarat.
    Telangana , Rajasthan and many more.
    Don't blame people on their demand of cast basis. They are true at their place, then and only they will come out from home.

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  95. Frankly speaking....lost my vehicle on fire..most socking part is here...""i shared my incident with one of my friend in my area from other caste....he apologized and said i didn't know it was your's""

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  96. >There have been 155 rallyes in past several months nothing like this happened.
    >There were 1.8million people on gmdc ground or lets say "his supporters" in Ahmedabad.Nothing happened whole day.
    >"his supporers" supported police whole day.
    >Around 8pm they arrested him and took him away.People were at their home.
    >After that police started lathicharge.Home minister didnt gave this order. And CM asked for a report and if they thinks thers a foul play in this they will create a committee to find responsibles for this lathicharge(thats what started this mess)and damaged vehical.None of "his supporers" had did nothing till now.(And i think you should watch police lathi charge on ground)even media cars and equipments.
    >And if you say that there was a time limit. I agree and they arrested for him and when 1.8million people can stay calm so can 1500 people but police chose lathicharge without thinking of out come.
    >And PAAS spokes person always said that we are against the harm of reservation. We are also okay with the EBC(Economic Backward Class). So its not only about getting into reservation.
    >And please try to find why did this happened and keep happening insted of who are doing this.(Hint: Police brutality on the following day and what was "his supporter's" reaction when military deployed)

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  97. I am not saying that there should be no reservation. I am in support of a totally different kind of reservation. I firmly believe that only good education at primary level is the solution of the majority of problems. I support reservations at the schooling level, but no child should deprive of education. I support the right to education of all the children irrespective of their caste or religion. Build more schools, recruit good teachers and make the society educated. If students of all castes get the same education, then there will be no need of reservations at college level education. Everyone will get admission in every field only based on their merit and not based on caste. This will require a great hard work for more than a decade, but after a few years we will start getting results. I support the reservation based on economical condition irrespective of their social caste. There should be no OBC, I support only EBC (Economically Backward Class). I support reservation of supportive schemes and its proper implementation for farmers, labors and other needful. Personally, I feel that since God has made us equal, we should not encourage reservation of any kind in our systems – jobs / admissions. Whenever we reserve place for someone on these foolish basis, we are snatching away the rights from deserving candidates. I am in support of identification of a person not based on his caste but based upon his work, his ability and his potential. I support reservation based on caste only in House of People and Legislative assemblies and that too for proper representation of all the social classes. I support equality and removing the concept of castes. In an educated society, no one is superior and no one is inferior. Instead of reserving seats in colleges and jobs based on castes, teach everyone to compete, spring up and make their existence worth for their social class.

    “Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime” – Anonymous

    So, let us arise, grow mentally and stop these violence and spreading anarchy. Government and constitution have their own limitations. It is practically impossible to keep everyone happy if they follow caste-based quota. Just realize that this is loss of our own property and our own peace. I would firmly request everyone to stop spading our own legs and maintain lively and peaceful environment.

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  98. Dear Hardik, Demanding reservation is good for all but it will take long time to take any decision by Govt. You should have patience and remain peaceful for many more months / years to fight for right then you may succeed and people will support you. You can't snatch it in one day by fighting. Act wisely and take advise of good people.

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  99. U said that just follow the official path...I want that you just go the police station and register a FIR for your loss of laptop in one day. And than rethink on ur statement...

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  100. Supurb letter. This business of reservation MUST END so that the future of the country remains secure.

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  101. Is it though possible that Mr. Hardik Patel can read this? If so please make him read. And if Patel will get the reservation then there will be other Caste standing and asking for the reservation and every year there will be such rallies and demands.

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  102. you know what all this comments are the personal views no one cares about others . its just that all want o safegaurd themsleves.. if the reservation system provide benefits to them then they are with it and if not they are against it.. if u really want to do something try to be neutral and then think about this rules which are just not compatible to present day situation ... all i want to say is stop judging us ... we also have patels that are below the middle class income levels ... and obviously some who are affluent . we need reservation for underprevilaged patel brothers who really need it insted of those wealthy sc/st/obc people who utilise these instead of being rich enough

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  103. Lets stop for a moment and think again..
    All have read in the newspaper abt the procedure of reservation. So all knew that this whole thing was not on a proper path. Good intentions arent enough. Good intentions have to be backed by good execution.
    Government waved off toll taxes for that day, gave gmdc ground almost free of cost (or totally free), Do u really think govt would ve done all that and then planned lathicharge? (Rumors say sum1 dabbed a police officer which led to the whole lathicharge incident)
    Rally was almost cancelled when collector was ready to take the request from GMDC ground, but on public demand, rally was conducted.
    During this rally, some ppl tried to shut down shops forcibly,broke things near mansi circle and police reacted to it that time. It was fair bcoz just think, I have a shop at that place, I am not patidaar. Ur demand is reservation for patidars. How much sense would it make for me to keep my shop close?
    Till here, everything was almost fair.
    On reaching RTO, there was a new demand that CM should personally reach there to take the request.WHY? when collector was ready to take the request, why was it necessary that CM should personally come there and take that request? There was a reason why lalji patel wasnt a part of it. Its hittin below the belt. CM is also 1 of the patels. Alteast she should have been respected as CM.
    I am not sayin that police is right in what they did. All I am sayin is that things shouldnt have reached to this level in 1st place.
    Lastly, to make things clear, I also belong to general category and I do know the problems faced by us.

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    2. I agree too. This guy hardik reacted too much when it is really not required.

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  104. https://www.facebook.com/AntiReservationIndia/photos/a.235238229885355.56453.229444867131358/862614773814361/?type=1&comment_id=862682920474213&offset=0&total_comments=22&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D

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  105. Any kind of reservation divides unity
    If you want to uplift poor, government should make alternate mechanism I.e. Provide monetary help,free education,free tuitions,free legal advice,free health facilities,provide subsidies for small scale industries etc .
    Now there is a time to change system.
    Peace full agitations and negotiations only the way out.
    Sadat Patel would had never been happy with such kind of nonsense violence

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  106. Everything happens for a reason. ��

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  107. Ok dear, we are totally agree with you. Movement should be for against reservation system. In that case every community has to join it or support it. Will you, with your community, come? I hope you understand my message. My name is Nayan Sheladiya from surat

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  108. जिस देश के लोगों में पिछड़ने की होड़ मच जाए वो देश आगे कैसे बढ़ेगा ....!!

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  109. very powerful debate...just check and then use your thoughts...these guys in debate are very familiar face of Gujarat... .http://www.ndtv.com/.../gujarat-simmers-in-quota.../380503

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  110. its all publicity stunt and all thing will be suffered by normal citizen and all innocent patels who are not part of its .

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  111. Mr. Owner
    Kudos to have such a great writing skills.
    I am also a common citizen not having any reservation privilege. Also affected by current Violence.

    Theoretically, You are correct that Patidars should go to SC and fight for their right.

    But, are you sure about getting Justice that way?????? How many got in India History ??

    I am discussing about Justice and not the reservation. If you study it carefully this is a Revolution started by Patidars to REMOVE Reservations and not to get reservation.

    Yes, Theoretically you are correct that Mr. Hardik should only talk about One side, Either Getting reservation or Removing reservation. But Mr. Owner, this is not era of Great Gandhibapu, Politics in India is in such a bad shape that one can not demand his right in purely Gandhi way. Vote Bank plays much greater role. ( P.S. neither I nor These Patidars support Violence but situation / some bad intention created this hevoc )

    Well, Everybody who has good sense of humor would realize that all these Andolan are done for a good cause i.e. To remove cast based reservation.

    I will request you to please check on PRACTICAL ways instead of suggesting some GOOD and BADs as those things are very well covered in primary syllabus.

    I do condemn these violence and feel sad over too much loss of TIME and public property. But still support Actual Vision of Mr. Hardik and other Patidar people.

    Truly in practical sense.

    A common man with sense of humor.

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  113. 1st. no one in India can remove reservation. not even a narendra modi have dare to do that. may be you are not able to understand what is the meaning of all this thing. see its very clear that government cant give reservation to patidar and not to brahmin. and so gov will have to remove reservation indirectly. if hardik will say " remove reservation totally and reservation should be as per income" OBC will come on the road, and after that NO ONE IN INDIA IS SAFE . hardik and every one in patidar knows this. and as the blogger and media and gov are already blaming hardik for all this riots just coz hardik asked for extension of GMDC ground. and just think once dear. if hardik will say " no reservation " and OBC ANS ST SC whtevr will come on road, and start killing each other who will be blamed ? are you ready to take responsibility ? anyone is ready for community riots ? and killing rapes and buring shops ? anyone is ready ?? just dare to say that "no reservation .. reservation as per income " just dare to say it . just ask Narendra modi to dare to say this " no reservation .. reservation as per income " ... fat k hath me aa jayegi bhai... im a patidar n i dnt want reservation for my self . i want " no reservation" . as soon as hardik will ask for " no reservation"... everyone will frame hardik for community based riots including you ppl who are asking for "no reservation",,, thats why patidar and brahmin are asking for reservation . as jains have already asked for reservation. no one left for reservation. reservation removed :P hope you got the point. and plzzz we patidar did not start the riots. as police killed keyur patel at GMDC ground in lathi charge then only patidars started riots . wht u will do if someone will ask u whts ur community and then starts beating you ?? stop talking smart and look around . and dare to ask for no reservation if u have daring ... n if not then just shut up n let PATIDAR DO IT FOR YOU.

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    1. sorry for being little ruff, but this is true everyone of you know that no one will ask for "no reservations " no one have dare to do that. coz who ever will ask for it, ll be blamed for riots based on communities and so many will be dead in that. hope u will understand.

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    2. U r right. This is about removing reservation. Now here is the future senario:

      Suppose Govt. agreed to give reservations. It will obviously be challenged in SC. As all knows, SC wont allow more reservations. So then, there vl be change in demands- if no reservation for us, remove reservation based on caste. What next? OBC will come on road, oppose it, riots etc etc.. in the end, its the same thing with a longer route.
      If it was a direct demand to convert caste based reservation to eco. based reservation, there would have been much more support from other people all over india, who are not included in reservations.

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    3. yup ur right... i mean logic is right. but im not hardik patel. nor u. if i were hardik i should have ask for that no reservation :(.. but as of now we just have to wait n watch but seriously we patidar do not need reservation for us. it just a indirect way for no reservation. hopefully things go on right direction n media n gov do not change the direction. fingurs crossed :/

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  115. Please add my 1 Cent so we can give 3 Cents to Mr. Patel

    Hardik Patel: Sardar Patel's greatest contribution to India is UNITING it from a fragmented bunch to ONE NATION.

    I request you to ask yourself; How do you think Sardar Patel would react to the thought fragmenting India? And also, how would he react to this situation if he was the home-minister?

    Let's not use great names so lightly.

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  116. 22 yr old boy is dead Right.

    Reservation for Italian Lady

    Ex Pakistani PM
    Bangladeshi Rashtrapati
    Where is Govt.
    Find out how many refugees serving in stafe Govt and Central Govt.
    What is Role of IMF
    WB
    Swissbank
    In Elections in India.
    Small Boy may be dead wrong
    Show us the Right Ones.

    Jai Hind

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  117. Great Article.... Reservations are meant for the politicians who don't have chance to reelect as they did not worked well in the past once they got the opportunity...

    Mr. Hardik Patel Sounds like Mr. Kejariwal.... Sounds like he got some chocolates or sweet packets from Delhi Govt. Mr. Patel , I would say why are you creating this issue.... you .. yourself are creating problems to fellow Patels.. .They are already suffered during this issue in their business.... I feel you are misusing Patel brand for your own benefits. I feel people are living peacefully in Gujarat and every one is getting chance to earn money... Why these drama.... Sounds like you are puppet of Kejariwal ka Kutta... Does not have any mind .. just like a puppet..

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  118. my suggestion is no reservation just only scholership on base of IT return under 1.5 or 2lacs of family income...... all govt job reservation n study reservation must be closed

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  119. Good Job, As per my suggestion we doesn't need Reservation anymore, because this types of leverages makes us lazy.
    hon. Mr. Kalam didn't take any reservation benefits.


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  120. I appreciate the writer for writing this...otherwise the media is as usual working to create disturbance and troubles for police..this fellow has no brain...behind him someone else's brain is working...media has made him hero...from 1 pm onwards his people were creating nuisance in city with open weapons...but media is presenting police as villain..many facts will come out gradually... the fate of this hardik patel will never good as he will have lots of curses from common men to create unnecessary nuisance and ample loss of public properties, disturbance in everybody's life...

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  121. Where are you now Mr common man?? How about writing an open letter to PM regarding the behavior of their police department in Gujarat?? Who says police is for protection of people??
    I am not saying public is right about starting these fights. But public would have calm down the next day if police would have done their job right. Police have NO RIGHT to beat and kill innocent people. They are worst than the public. Why CM of Gujarat and PM is not saying anything to their police department? They deserve an insane punishment!!!

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  122. I somehow feel this has a broader picture which is yet to unfold. Let's go back to history. Each of such agitations lead to change in Government. When there is a change in Government, then as per the belief, the State or Country goes back for some period of time. If this government change brings good in future then it is good for people but what if not?

    BJP has been ruling Gujarat since more than a decade now. Progress is slow and steady because the drought of centuries can't be covered within such short span when you are talking about second biggest population on Earth. Coming back to point, all the agitations in country clearly have political motives: to destabilize current government. Last we saw such movement was for AAP and after that, Delhi is not happy. Congress has been eyeing Gujarat since long. In last elections, they tried with Keshubhai Patel's new party to divide Patel votes but they were unsuccessful in it. This time they might have done this. Putting entire Patel community against Government.

    On Social media, a photo is viral of Gujarat police catching around 20 biharis who were paid and brought here to spread violence. So when Hardik Patel is a poster boy who has been highlighted by Paid Media, clearly there are brains who are also working on tactics such as violence and what next.

    I just want to say following to my friends:

    Where the mind is without fear and the head held high;
    Where knowledge is free;
    Where the world has not been broken up into fragments by narrow domestic walls;
    Where words come out from the depth of truth;
    Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection;
    Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way into the dreary desert sand of dead habit;
    Where the mind is led forward by Thee into ever-widening thought and action;
    Into that heaven of freedom, my Father, let my country awake.

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  123. We are against cast base reservation so, why we patels are demanding reservation in OBC
    This is answer for those who are questioning about this
    Patels and other communities had held Andolan in 1985 against cast based reservation and demanded for EBC (economic backward class) based reservation , riots was taking place and 800 peoples killed by police. we changed government of Madhavsinh Solanki but nothing happened, and now everyone knows that in india eliminating cast based reservation is day dream ,but we do not want to suffer from this in future so we unite and want to take away our community from effects of reservation and other communities also support us so please, who don’t know about history of Gujarat please don’t speak about Gujarat.

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  124. He isn't that literate to understand what you wrote and may even blame reservation system for that .........

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  125. I support reservation, only if all casts and communities are included in it.

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